Those consigned to hell or outer darkness are partakers of the second death, and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone. . But the children of the kingdom [i.e., covenant breakers] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. Hell is outer darkness; it is the lake of fire; and it is the second death. 34:3435; note Almas repetitive use of the word state in Alma 40:1112; see also D&C 101:9091; 133:7073). 18:8)? . 20:14). The conclusion: You (former Mormon), despite being baptized into this church, are not a son of perdition! (Elder Bruce R. McConkie Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). Each differing in Glory but all great places to go. The Book of Mormon clarifies that the lake of fire and brimstone is a metaphor for the suffering of the wicked. To look closer at this possibility, lets break humans into two categories: 1) Those who have never been Mormon; 2) Those who are or once were Mormon. Mormons believe we existed before coming to Earth. One of these guests, however, appeared without the proper wedding attire. After inspecting the intruder, the king instructed his servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. Clearly fire is used as a metaphor for sufferingnot a literal fire but a state of misery. (See Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Through baptism and confirmation by priesthood authority, you became a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (True to the Faith: A Gospel Reference, 2004, p. 21, So, even if you attended LDS Church services, sang the hymns, and even partook of the weekly sacrament, yet you were never baptized and confirmed into the faith, you can never become a son of perdition. Cain is a Son of Perdition. While John could be referring to the sons of perdition in this passage, the specific sins he identified are characteristic of those who will suffer in hell but, after experiencing their part in the lake of fire, will be released from their torment and be resurrected to a telestial glory (see D&C 76:10312). 9:16; emphasis added). First of all, to become a son of perdition, you need to have been baptized into the church, then turned from the religion in order to fight against it, all the while knowing it is true. T F It is practically impossible for those who were human to ever be sent to Outer Darkness. In this context, outer darkness is the spirit prison, or that part of the spirit world that the wicked inhabit prior to their resurrection. What is the Mormon plan of salvation? 15:2830). From its beginnings, it taught that very few people would go to "outer darkness" the Mormon concept of hell. Banishment from the presence of God. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the tormented rich man in hell . If this is the case, the worst fate any former Latter-day Saint can anticipate is the telestial kingdom. 13:42), the fire that never shall be quenched (Mark 9:45), where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:48), and cast into the fire (Luke 3:9). [1], Other views include those of Zane C. Hodges who controversially suggested that it represents a place for those who make it to heaven based on their faith, but have failed to perform good works during their time on the earth.[2]. Italics in original). 5. But unofficial prophets speaking at BYU or in their own books say no, except Brigham in the Journal of Discourses which is unofficial. In this parable, a king arranged a wedding for his son, but the normal guests did not come; therefore, the king sent his servants to gather guests from off the street. However, sons of perdition cannot achieve forgiveness and will be completely cast outside of the light of God. How unfair is this scenario? And if they be evil they are consigned to an awful view of their own guilt and abominations, which doth cause them to shrink from the presence of the Lord into a state of misery and endless torment, from whence they can no more return; therefore they have drunk damnation to their own souls. so we will be able to realistically discuss the likelihood that a person who left the church could ever end up in Outer Darkness. Brigham Young University It is doubtful if even Judas, who betrayed Jesus, was sufficiently enlightened to become a son of perdition (Gospel Doctrine,p. 545). They place themselves beyond the power of repentance and beyond the mercies of God. Return to the Crash Course Mormonism Index. Please note that FAIRMormon states it is not doctrine on the website. 18:8), hell fire (Matt. Becoming a son of Perdition is hard therefore going to outer darkness is hard. Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation). Pingback: The Shunning Key by bwv549 - Mormon Bandwagon, A Son of Perdition is: Brigham Young University Professor Larry E. Dahl reported: The word hell appears sixty-two times in the text of the Book of Mormon. The views expressed . 3:12), the tares are gathered and burned in the fire (Matt. lucifer. In the D&C, the definition of those who go to Outer Darkness is stated as: the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows; Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again; Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation (D&C 76:45-48). Oh yes they did: after a man has sinned the sin against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for himlike many of the apostates of Christof the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 16:18). Which would be a sure-fire way to know that a spirit is headed to Outer Darkness? 23:15). I was taught that to be condemned to outer darkness you would have to deny Christ to his very face and that could occur . Followers 0. With the sons of perdition, however, even this blessing is denied. When the lights were out and we were on the verge of sleep, our camp counselor took advantage of the moment and endeavored to imprint his teachings upon the minds of his captive audience. Outer Darkness - Social Hall - Mormon Dialogue & Discussion Board. it could be a reference for the resurrected who gain inheritance on other worlds but without the fulness of The Lord said no man knoweth So, theres probably a good reason that there is some debate and confusion on it. In the Book of Mormon the phrase lake of fire and brimstone is used as a metaphor for the suffering that awaits the wicked. New Testament [ edit] A) Most humans B) Satan C) His angels D) Sons of Perdition. So the prophet, meeting with apostles is clear on this, there are women. 67, LDS Church Archives. For many years, those who have forfeited their membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints may have been told by other Mormons that they were Sons of Perdition destined for Outer Darkness. This page was last edited on 17 September 2010, at 20:26. The question is, what exactly does full knowledge entail? - Wilford Woodruff in a meeting with the apostles, 1893 D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1997) p. 795. . Those in this second group will be resurrected from the dead but will not be redeemed from the second (spiritual) death and cannot dwell in a kingdom of glory (D&C 88:32, 35). For many are called, but few are chosen." You not only need to have been a Mormon, but you have to have full knowledge that this is the restored church of God and still fought against it. https://www.mormonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Outer_Darkness&oldid=27067. In Mormonism, it depends. The "authority" to marry a man to one wife is not the same as the "authority" to marry a man to more than one wife. Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. The city of Capernaum was upbraided for its lack of faith in view of the miracles Jesus performed there. Does this description of God make it sound as if he is just (at least according to an LDS context)? [2]. And I said unto them that our father also saw that the justice of God did also divide the wicked from the righteous; and the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire, which ascendeth up unto God forever and ever, and hath no end (1 Ne. Usually, when one is going to hell, the unspoken caveat is unless they repent. 9:710, 19, 26). What do Mormons believe happened in the pre-existence? Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are sons of perdition. According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). They once held membership in the church (through baptism/confirmation); They had full knowledge of their apostasy from the true and restored church of Jesus Christ; They continue to fight against the LDS Church despite their knowledge. Thank you! So there you go, the souls who end up in Outer Darkness are clearly apostates, or not. If he were ignorant, he could not have become perdition. Note the Book of Mormons addition of the words is as. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It occurs in a doctrinal discussion Alma conducted with his son Corianton. That it is the most severe punishment that can be meted out to man is apparent. Mormonism. Into the telestial kingdom will go, according to that which is written here in this revelation, the vicious, the unclean, the ungodly (Conference Reports, April 1942, p. 27). The prophet Alma described the disposition of those in outer darkness: And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evilfor behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their houseand these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil (Alma 40:13; cf. Grant Building . 21:8; cf. For example, Alma the Younger was delivered from the intensity of his hellish pain when he cried to the Lord for mercy. Hence, the very worse lot in their lives will be the telestial kingdom. If Lucifer had not known the effects of his rebellion, how would he ever become perdition? You dont believe it is true, which is the reason why you left. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. The opposition gospel twists the title of Adversary into a positive thing. 21:8; see also 19:20). Everyone is already going to the terrestrial kingdom by default. In Outer Darkness, there is endless lamentation and no divine presence. He also saw a pale horse with a rider whose name was Death, and Hell followed with him (Rev. Articles 1 - 7 will help your candle last longer and perform its best. It is, therefore, important to examine carefully the context of each reference. Banishment from the joys of heaven. Who of the following is NOT eligible for Outer Darkness. 28:2223). I have no fear of hell fire, that doesnt exist, but the torment and disappointment of the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstoneso is the torment of man. 2:11). Ellipsis mine). He wrote. Temporary abode of the wicked. At the end of the twenty years, the knife would be withdrawn and again stabbed into us, with the resulting excruciating pain lasting another twenty years; this process would then be repeated for all eternity. For most, outer darkness, the lake of fire, and the second death have an end, but for the sons of perdition these states continue eternally. As explained in D&C 88:11-13: A representation of the tree degrees of glory and outer darkness. Severe punishment for eternity, reserved for Satan and his demons as well as the sons of perdition, those humans who once embraced Mormonism and left to fight against the faith, even though they knew Mormonism was true. However, not once have I ever suspected such a person to be a closet believer in Mormonism. (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1966), 758. Nephis commentary to his brothers concerning his fathers dream of the tree of life adds interesting insight into the possible meaning of the great gulf Jesus referred to: And I said unto them that it was an awful gulf, which separated the wicked from the tree of life, and also from the saints of God. Banishment from all progress. Clearly, when it comes to perdition and outer darkness, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me, and anyone who speaks on the matter has a dizzying intellect. By EntropyJustKillUsNow, March 29, 2017 in Social Hall. In the parable of the talents, the returning lord instructed that the wicked and slothful servant who hid his talent in the earth be cast into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. Please read, the source above, What is Official LDS Doctrine. [3] Larry E. Dahl, The Concept of Hell, in Doctrines of the Book of Mormon (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1992), 4243. This is not an easy thing to do unless you are choosing to do so while being fully aware that you are doing so. Salvation is release from the guilt and power of sin through God's gift of grace. But to pass it off as a belief of an entire Church, organization and people is wrong. That last part of the previous sentence is very important. Jacob taught that the lake of fire is not a literal fire but a figurative representation of torment: And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end (2 Ne. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols., (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 195456), 31.; Bruce R. McConkie, Seven Deadly Heresies, 1 June 1980, BYU Marriot Center.). You have to be pretty bad to go to the Teresita's kingdom, and horrendous to go to outer darkness. Source: https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf. Outer Darkness is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the Sons of Perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 25:30). What is it? 12:22; Morm. Those who must suffer with Satan for the deeds done in mortality will go with him into outer darkness. Yea, and it bringeth to pass the condition of repentance, that whosoever repenteth the same is not hewn down and cast into the fire; but whosoever repenteth not is hewn down and cast into the fire; and there cometh upon them again a spiritual death, yea, a second death, for they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness. Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation ). [Discourse given on 20 January 1895.] The Book of Mormon teaches that after death, the spirits of those who "chose evil works rather than good" in mortality will be "cast out . 185 Heber J. Possibly but there is no citation there either. Circumcision. Consistently, hell is associated with fire. Because reasons. In the parable of the wedding of the kings son, the king discovered that a guest was not properly attired in the required wedding garment, i.e., righteousness. They go too far, and the Spirit leaves themYou cant renew them to repentancyou cannot save them. (Joseph Smith Jr., King Follett Discourse). Horror Short Film "Outer Darkness" | ALTER | Online Premiere 31,262 views Mar 31, 2022 Subscribe to ALTER on YouTube: https://goo.gl/LnXRC3 .more .more 1K Dislike Share Save Description. When I was Mormon, I was taught that in order to be sent to Outer Darkness (I'm a woman, that will be relevant in a second) you had to have an UNMISTAKABLE KnOwLeDgE of Christ, and then turn your back on God and deny him. The phrase first occurs in Jesus' comment concerning the faith of the Centurion of Capernaum: And I say to thee that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven: But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. When the king asked, "Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?" In Mormonism, it depends. The use of the term exterior darkness is in Jesus' parable of the wedding feast (also known as the parable of the marriage of the king's son). 11:23). Now go take a nap and rest well! The Book of Mormon teaches that only through the Atonement of Christ can one escape the damnation of hell. Jacob testified that without the infinite atonement all mankind would be forever subject to the awful monster, death and hell, and thus would become like the devil and his angels (2 Ne. If their Prophet wrote in a journal, or said to someone in passing, or gave a talk a local school saying that, Eating toast without butter is a sin worthy of hell! that does not make it a Mormon Doctrine. The apostle James taught that the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity . It even warns its readers to beware of the devils temptation to disbelieve the doctrine of a personal devil and that there is an actual place and/or state called hell. He wrote: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death (Rev. This is a place very close in nature to the biblical hell. Yes, they were said by Prophets of their church. They are sons of perdition because, Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to open shame (D. & C. 76:35). 9:16), unquenchable fire (Mosiah 2:38), and hell fire (3 Ne. And since we know that prophets speaking define it, this is the definition we should use. 10:28). D&C 133:73 says, These shall go away into outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Humans who never heard about Mormonism will not go there, as tenth President Joseph Fielding Smith said, That is a punishment that will not come to those who have never known the truth. Bad as they may suffer, and awful as their punishment may be, they are not among that group which is to suffer the eternal death and banishment from all influence concerning the power of God (Conference Reports, October 1958, 21). Banishment from the power of God. It also adds insight that, when blended with other essential doctrines, offers a more complete understanding of the plan of salvation. 5:22), burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire (Matt. Mormons believe that a majority of people on this Earth will go to one of these three heavens. In the Bible, the phrases lake of fire and lake of fire and brimstone, describing the fate of the wicked, are unique to the book of Revelation. . He had a sure witness of the Lord and willfully chose to follow Satan instead. Outer Darkness. Those who followed Lucifer in his rebellion in the premortal life and those who in mortality sin against the Holy Ghost are sons of perdition. The phrases depths of hell, awful hell, sleep of hell, pains of hell, chains of hell, everlasting hell, and endless hell are all unique to the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon also teaches that by coming unto Christ, one can escape the pains of hell experienced in this life. To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). In Peters second general epistle to the Church, he taught concerning the angels who had sinned, saying that God cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness (2 Pet. . The ex-mortal sons of perdition will be resurrected, as will everyone else; but they will finally suffer the second death, the spiritual death, for they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness. (Hel. The Book of Mormon discusses with great clarity the ultimate punishment reserved exclusively for the sons of perdition, or those who are filthy still (2 Ne. The first three are referred to as the three degrees of glory, often compared to the sun, the moon, and the stars (D&C 76:70 . It is simply his opinion. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. Later in the same discourse Alma blended the doctrines of the Fall, agency, and the second death together as an admonition to keep the commandments of God (see Alma 12:3137). 22:13-14, D-R.). . 12:16), hell which hath no end (1 Ne. Matt. Although this is an obvious scare tactic, this accusation is not true according to important LDS leaders. 3. So I found one, by Joseph F. Smith, Thus we see that the first death which came into the world is also the last death which shall be pronounced upon the sons of perdition. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of Godbanished entirely from his presence. But what is light? It honors and glorifies Satan. Serve Satan. If you want to make the point that Mormon Prophets have said some weird stuff, I am all for it. (See D&C 76:2835, 4448.) The first death is physical death, and everyone but the devil and his angels will overcome physical death through Resurrection. Additionally it provides helpful commentary on New Testament passages concerning hell. I can give you more than plenty of examples of that. To the Church in Smyrna the Apostle John wrote: He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (Rev. But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. Also, you can read this too. There are possible characteristics of a son of perdition. According to the churchs website: The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. 6:8). It is true that the only mortals who had once been members are eligible to become sons of perdition, a fact that may worry some former Mormons who wonder if they might be destined for outer darkness. One memorable night, he instructed us about the pains of hell. He asked us to imagine being stabbed and having that initial intense pain of the insertion of the knife last for twenty years. What qualifies a person to be a Son of Perdition? Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. Concerning the first resurrection John observed: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years (Rev. Think along the lines of a religious leader serving God but the opposite. So I thought Id get it all out there in one simple post. 16:811)meaning to be left with those who would partake of that permanent hell reserved only for those who, as Jacob stated, are filthy still.. Though we have this clarity in the scriptures that we carry with us daily, few members are aware that this insight is there." In revealing Satans tactics, Nephi wrote: And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is noneand thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.
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